The more I see of Free Agent Path ...

[Russ]

The more I like it - with one big reservation!

So far, I find it brilliant. It takes prospects step-by-step, using information and quizzes, through the reasons Network Marketing is one of the best opportunities around. You even get a "promotion" for answering questions and following the steps.

And you become part of a team - meeting your teamates, becoming comfortable talking to comparative strangers and bonding - all for free. It's a nice and easy way to begin teaching others to overcome phone fear.

It is a great system for building a team before signing them up. I think we all could learn from it and it could be applied to all of our opportunities. At least it's free so you don't have to put up any money if you don't like whatever mlm program Mark has chosen (to be revealed Aug. 25th)

What I don't know - the one big reservation - is if I will like the mlm company Joyner has chosen for the initial income stream. We'll see.... (but I'm still betting it's Xango.)

Anyway, no matter what one's opinion of Mark - and I am as skeptical as anyone out there - he has designed something really interesting. I've seen a lot of recruiting programs and this is one of the best.

Cheers,
Russ


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[Semmy]

Russ,

well I was with Mark on the phone personally a few weeks ago. My relationship with him was first very good when I lived in California, then I was rather upset about his lack of customer service, but I am back "very happy" with him.

a) I used and applied a lot of marketing knowledge and learned a lot with dealing with him including all HIS mistakes with his companies

b) The free agent path is a great concept and I already have a nice group of people -

WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DO NOT GET:

this is not just a recruiting system, but
tries to open peoples mind that they have to
create RELATION SHIPS FIRST - and then see how
that ties in business

c) if anyone wants to join my group you are
welcome, you find a link at the end of my semmy.com or money4success.com for it
or go directly to howtobeafreeagent.com

d) people often make decisions if they like someone or not, that is not alway necessary
a smart choice... for instance I have my reservations and bad experiences with Mike Chen...
however...

IT IS YOURSELF WHO is making success happen.

People alwasy like to find excuses for not taking action...

Semmy Stumpp
www.semmy.com
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Without Being Dependent!

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[Kim Thomas]

Call me stupid or call me what you will, I have an intense dislike for MLM and whoever promote MLM program earns a big "distrust" on my part.

In all cases, there will be an exception. However ask yourself this question -- would you want to bet the odd against you or favor you? When you are in business and especially Internet business would you want to have to pay your way to make it or do you want to make it because it was you that did it?

This is a free country -- use your elbow grease and release the genius inside of you and have a dare devil attitude toward making a living.

If any group that I will ever want to join and is gladly to pay are those that belong to a private coaching kind of club. When someone takes you under their wing they will try to help you.

For all newbies who had no idea how to make it yet and thinking of joining any kind of MLM group is a big mistake. Learn it first hand from the pros by joining their private coaching club. Pay your dues and ask all the questions while you are there to clear your confusion -- then leave them to make it on your own. Don't clutch yourself under someone's wings because you're afraid to fail. Failing is the first sign of making it really big.

Making it on your own is the premise of being an entrepreneur.

I have not yet started my private club but I will in due time. There are more questions for me now then answers for you -- so I need to clear the way first.

The premise of this group is absolutely different and that is you will only be required to stay for 1 year and after that wanted to or not, you are out leaving room for others to enter. Since private group by definition is small and personal at least to my definition. While there is no one formula that fits all problems, luckily the heart of almost all problems with the net lie in two main areas, they are
1- traffic conversion factor and 2- sales copy.

kt

> The more I like it - with one big
> reservation!

> So far, I find it brilliant. It takes
> prospects step-by-step, using information
> and quizzes, through the reasons Network
> Marketing is one of the best opportunities
> around. You even get a "promotion"
> for answering questions and following the
> steps.

> And you become part of a team - meeting your
> teamates, becoming comfortable talking to
> comparative strangers and bonding - all for
> free. It's a nice and easy way to begin
> teaching others to overcome phone fear.

> It is a great system for building a team
> before signing them up. I think we all could
> learn from it and it could be applied to all
> of our opportunities. At least it's free so
> you don't have to put up any money if you
> don't like whatever mlm program Mark has
> chosen (to be revealed Aug. 25th)

> What I don't know - the one big reservation
> - is if I will like the mlm company Joyner
> has chosen for the initial income stream.
> We'll see.... (but I'm still betting it's
> Xango.)

> Anyway, no matter what one's opinion of Mark
> - and I am as skeptical as anyone out there
> - he has designed something really
> interesting. I've seen a lot of recruiting
> programs and this is one of the best.

> Cheers,
> Russ



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[Glenn]

> So far, I find it to be crap!!! sorry-lol.

The more I like it - with one big
> reservation!

> So far, I find it brilliant. It takes
> prospects step-by-step, using information
> and quizzes, through the reasons Network
> Marketing is one of the best opportunities
> around. You even get a "promotion"
> for answering questions and following the
> steps.

> And you become part of a team - meeting your
> teamates, becoming comfortable talking to
> comparative strangers and bonding - all for
> free. It's a nice and easy way to begin
> teaching others to overcome phone fear.

> It is a great system for building a team
> before signing them up. I think we all could
> learn from it and it could be applied to all
> of our opportunities. At least it's free so
> you don't have to put up any money if you
> don't like whatever mlm program Mark has
> chosen (to be revealed Aug. 25th)

> What I don't know - the one big reservation
> - is if I will like the mlm company Joyner
> has chosen for the initial income stream.
> We'll see.... (but I'm still betting it's
> Xango.)

> Anyway, no matter what one's opinion of Mark
> - and I am as skeptical as anyone out there
> - he has designed something really
> interesting. I've seen a lot of recruiting
> programs and this is one of the best.

> Cheers,
> Russ

[Jason Bietsch]

This is the first time I've posted on this board. The fact I got an email from Michael about Mark Joyner made me come take a look.

Look, in my opinion I wouldn't take advise from someone who's MLM company (cash evolution) was shut down, went out of business or whatever.

I saw a bunch of you guys going back and forth about MLM, so I wanted to give my 2 cents.

The fact is most network marketers fail because they are taught the wrong strategies and tactics.

They're told to go recruit family, friends, neighbors, and even the dreaded opportunity seeker.

That is a guaranteed road to failure if you ask me.

The only way I've succeeded in this business, (and any MLM heavy hitter will agree, but won't admit it) is to recruit other MLM veterans. It's what all the big guys do. If they tell you any different, they're lying to you. Why do you think Mark Joyner is gathering all these marketers with this silly free agent crap. He's building a list of internet and network marketers to back end them into whatever "deal" he does next...so much for his farewell, huh? I knew that was a ploy to sell all the stuff he doesn't use anymore.
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[Dave Wright]

Hi Russ et all,

Why have we all put up with endless emails from Mark saying "I'm leaving the Internet Marketing game for good" only to find that he isn't?

Good business for him, but surely this is a "fraud" of sorts?

Cheers,

Dave

[Sue]

The more I seen of it, after taking all that time to go through the whole process, the more I didn't like it.

I'm not putting it down, it may be right for some people, but not me.

I spent my first 2 or 3 years online with MLMs, the health products type. I followed my sponsor around to every one he moved on to because he was very good at it and gave me a lot of support. I build large downlines but hardly made enough to cover the cost of the products that I had to buy each month.

I hated the phone calls, even with my sponsor on the line with me. I am not a phone person as I have difficulty hearing on the phone. So when I finished The Free Agent thing, I was very disappointed to see that it would take me back to what I hated, health products and the phone calls. I quickly unsubscribed. (I should say that I don't hate health products, I buy them all the time at my local drug store, although at a much cheaper cost than the MLM health products.)

I have been doing very well with affiliate programs so I am sticking to that. I do have one MLM on the go. It's a very reasonable priced Internet Service and the simple system to promote it with is so easy.

I have built a big downline without much effort at all and I am earning money on top of my monthly cost. And the support from the company is great, emails almost every day to keep us updated. I feel better promoting internet service over the over-priced health products. This internet service is reasonably priced, cheaper than most services available today. One person in my downline said he saves $2 per month over his previous AOL service plus he gets multiple email accounts, so he is really pleased.

I was hoping that the Free Agent Path was something new and exciting. But I was very disappointed in it. Same old, same old....

I do, though, hope it works out well for those who are giving it a try. I wish you all the best.

Sue


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[Chris Gagliano]

For everyone who does not understand...

The purpose is to build "Free Agent Income Streams". That is, build streams of income that won't have you working 8+ hours a day to keep them coming in.

From what I gather, this first income stream is NOT the only income stream that will be used by the FAP. Furthermore, no one has even seen it yet, so I don't see how it's fair to judge it already.

Now, why would Mark do this? Because he wants to continue Internet marketing? Or because he wants to create income streams that keep coming in even when (if?) he decides to finally quit? The answer is obvious.

He's not very old, and he can't afford to quit completely right now. I know, he's made alot of money. But if he quits, so does the income. So, OBVIOUSLY, he has to do something that will REALLY allow him to finally quit once and for all and still live very comfortably.

People who make themselves millionaires don't just quit after all that work and live the rest of their lives off of what they've earned so far. At least, people like Mark don't.

Once he turns the Free Agent Path into a massive income generator for him that keeps on going, even when he stops, THEN he can finally step away and do his philanthropic work.

Were people mislead by the "leaving Internet marketing" pitch? Probably. It's not like it's a flat out lie... just not the complete truth I guess.

I'm not saying I condone misleading people and not telling the complete truth... I wouldn't do it... but it's far from "fraud".

I joined the FAP and have built quite a large team several levels deep. If it turns out to be a waste and people are not making money with it, I'll be the first to criticize it. But let's wait and see before making any judgements.

Oh, and to the guy that said never to recruit your family, friends, and "opportunity seekers" for network marketing and only recruit the seasoned pros... yeah, good idea... tell me some that haven't signed up for FAP and will sign up under me. I'll be glad to have them.

Recruiting family and friends that have no interest is obviously a waste of time. However, I do have friends that have joined FAP and are very excited about it. They're willing to do what it takes, and since I've known them for a long time, I know they mean it when they say it.

And as far as "opportunity seekers", why not? As long as you are honest about what you're recruiting them for. They already have the desire to make more money (who doesn't?) and are actively looking for a way. All you need to do is find the ones that are willing to commit to it and work hard. If they're looking for "get rich quick" or "easy ways to make money", then are also a waste of your time. I look for the ones that say "I'm willing to do what it takes if you'll help me along the way when I need it".

Now, sure, there are other ways to build a great team. Maybe you know of better ways than me. But, you shouldn't say that "you should never recruit family, friends, neighbors, or opportunity seekers because you'll fail miserably without question".

Every 'pro' was a beginner at some point... and all were recruited at some point... and I'd be interested to know how many of those who are now very successful network marketers were recruited by friends or family.

My 2.5 cents... ;-)

-Chris



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[kumar]

They said it is 100% free and then tell me after a week it is restricted to 5 countries and others have to get a Canadian mailing address by paying money. If they had told me this in the beginning it would have saved some time and energy for me. My downline is upset with me for recommending such a program. Why can't people tell the whole truth in the beginning itself?

> The more I like it - with one big
> reservation!

> So far, I find it brilliant. It takes
> prospects step-by-step, using information
> and quizzes, through the reasons Network
> Marketing is one of the best opportunities
> around. You even get a "promotion"
> for answering questions and following the
> steps.

> And you become part of a team - meeting your
> teamates, becoming comfortable talking to
> comparative strangers and bonding - all for
> free. It's a nice and easy way to begin
> teaching others to overcome phone fear.

> It is a great system for building a team
> before signing them up. I think we all could
> learn from it and it could be applied to all
> of our opportunities. At least it's free so
> you don't have to put up any money if you
> don't like whatever mlm program Mark has
> chosen (to be revealed Aug. 25th)

> What I don't know - the one big reservation
> - is if I will like the mlm company Joyner
> has chosen for the initial income stream.
> We'll see.... (but I'm still betting it's
> Xango.)

> Anyway, no matter what one's opinion of Mark
> - and I am as skeptical as anyone out there
> - he has designed something really
> interesting. I've seen a lot of recruiting
> programs and this is one of the best.

> Cheers,
> Russ


ers,
> Russ

[Karen]

I'm just curious on the "system" being used by Free Agent.

Are the quizzes similar to those through
http://www.presentertrainer.com/

Or the training system/set-up similar to those at
http://www.myinstantwebsite.com/site/index.asp?page=91009&DL=7938

I'm just curious whether they (Mike and Mark)
actually created the system themselves or
imported part/most of it into their site.

Also, I read elsewhere something about only
5 countries being part of the program chosen
and if you didn't live in one of them you could
"buy" a USA or Cdn. address. Not sure if most
people realize this, but sooner or later some
form of SSN or SIN has to be provided in order
to receive commissions from most USA or Cdn.
based companies. Did they also provide a work-
around for this obstacle? I'm wondering if this
process is entirely legal...

Might explain the big disclaimer on the sign-up
page?

Quote: "Yes, I understand that any advice given
by The Free Agent Path I must act on of my own
free will. I will take responsibility for my own
actions and will not hold Mark Joyner, The Free
Agent Path Inc., or it's officers or shareholders
responsible for consequences that may result as
from my use of this system or it's advice."

Since it is the 27th - do you know which company
was chosen to launch? (I read somewhere this
would be announced on the 25th)

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> The more I like it - with one big
> reservation!

> So far, I find it brilliant. It takes
> prospects step-by-step, using information
> and quizzes, through the reasons Network
> Marketing is one of the best opportunities
> around. You even get a "promotion"
> for answering questions and following the
> steps.
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[Semmy]

I have to let you know when I finally release
my "be your own mlm guru" product, because I do not fully agree with you.

I tell people not to follow MLM GURU NAMES
and I teach people a system to do it on their
own.

It is not true that you have to have a big network in the first place.

ANY BUSINESS COSTS MONEY TO DO.

"Free Affiliate Programs" Cost Money TO DO.

I personally do MLM and non mlm projects,
but only the MLM project grow themselves
done properly.

I dont like the MLM hype - but I have a professional business explanation why
MLM is the smartes solution build your own
customer base at www.doesmlmwork.com

IF only big names can have success in network
marketing, then a lot of my friends must
be liars that have started as average joe.

I failed in several network marketing companies,
but not because of the obvious reasons in the
first place including also bad customer serivce and such.

It was lack of know how and lack of persistence.

See RESIDUAL income can be created in several ways and here I agree with you.

I wrote a book in 1998 and sold over 50,000 books for 4 months work (still not good enough).

Some residual income has nothing to do with
network marketing. But in most cases if you are part of the system, it will eat you in the end.

The key is to OWN a system without being part of it.

Anyway - the free agent program at howtobeafreeagent.com itself teaches people
to create relationships first and not just
"recruit people blindly", what most people
try to do.

Semmy Stumpp
www.semmy.com
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Without Being Dependent!

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[Samuel L Freedom]

> Distributor-type MLM's are a different animal. A very ugly one I want
> nothing to do with. Paul, I don't know you. You know your position and
> your abilities. I just picked up another sale in a dirt-cheap MLM that
> gives me 75%, and it does the selling for me.

> If you can close HARD SALES, go for it. I don't see the necessity.

> And, if I were going to do it, I'd be smart enough to start my own program
> instead of relying on something like FAP, which is the total opposite of
> being a free agent. It's merely being an agent for FAP, not an agent for
> yourself.

> Jimmy Boyd

You may be right. And I might even agree with you 100%, but you must understand why any of these things work in the first place--because it takes so very little to get a person to believe that she or he is not as gullible as the 'others'. "'They' are the sheep, not me."

A close friend, supremely adept with analogies, metaphors and straight talk when needed, told me that people's fantasies are like a drunk's booze. If you try to take it from them, they will attack you to get it back. And if you succeed in wrestling it away from them, they will either become despondent, or ambitious enough only to get another bottle, often taking advantage of someone weaker than them.

Noone wants to believe that because they dress nice and speak clear english that the patterns they follow are exactly the same as street urchins. Why do you think street people seem so detestable? Because aside from the apparel, lack of hygiene and laxness on grammar, they're frighteningly the same in the way they go about getting their needs met...they are just a lot less clever in going about disguising it. You could say they have no shame. And that many internet marketers do have shame, so they try to appear caring and ethical, but only when under the spotlight. (And this isn't limited to internet marketers).

If a hyena is jealous of the lion, and spends much time and thought trying to ape the ways of the lion, it convinces itself it is a lion. It will only value those folks whose picture of him agree with his, and he will avoid or defame those who see he is just a common, ordinary, hyena. So why does one spend so much time trying to convince a deluded hyena of what he is? The funny thing is, the one doing the convincing could be one, too! lol

I'm trying so hard to find a way to do this ethically so that noone can come to me and say, "Your product (or service) left me feeling worse off." I want to address the lazy people directly. Let me give you an example:

"If all you're really looking for is to eat, drink and be merry, then you really ought to forget about an internet marketing business. Because it requires HARD work. Of course you could be told what to do for a while, or for as long as you paid someone to do that, but how long would you last without that person and without understanding what you're doing? That being said, let's find a way to help you eat, drink and be merry..."

See, it's a great act of kindness to meet people at their level so they feel, that with you at least, they no longer have to pretend they are what they aren't. And that is something that will keep them coming back.

I've more to write on this later....

Sincerely,

Eric

[Jimmy Boyd]

Distributor-type MLM's are a different animal. A very ugly one I want nothing to do with. Paul, I don't know you. You know your position and your abilities. I just picked up another sale in a dirt-cheap MLM that gives me 75%, and it does the selling for me.

If you can close HARD SALES, go for it. I don't see the necessity.

And, if I were going to do it, I'd be smart enough to start my own program instead of relying on something like FAP, which is the total opposite of being a free agent. It's merely being an agent for FAP, not an agent for yourself.

Jimmy Boyd

> There's a cool little feature within FAP for making appointments and
> getting confirmation before you call : )

> People who "duck out" fail the qualification process - next!

> You should study MLM (like any other business model) before you jump in.

> Do not expect to be able to build a successfull MLM based on Intenet or
> Affiliate marketing knowledge - it's a different animal all together.



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[Paul Reilly]

> Half the time you try to call people up, they're not there. That's a
> little more money down the tubes.

There's a cool little feature within FAP for making appointments and getting confirmation before you call : )

> When you set up conference calls, people duck out and aren't even at home
> when you call back to put them on the call.

People who "duck out" fail the qualification process - next!

> That's too demoralizing to me. Yeah, if you are the one at the top, you
> can have others do it, but is that what you want to make your living at?
> Frustrating and disappointing people?

You should study MLM (like any other business model) before you jump in.

Do not expect to be able to build a successfull MLM based on Intenet or Affiliate marketing knowledge - it's a different animal all together.



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[Jimmy Boyd]

And, there's the lack of skills and the added frustration. I've had my try at MLM, and here's what happened.

I hate talking on the phone. I'm not into BS talk. It's doesn't fall into my natural skill set.

Half the time you try to call people up, they're not there. That's a little more money down the tubes.

When you set up conference calls, people duck out and aren't even at home when you call back to put them on the call.

That's too demoralizing to me. Yeah, if you are the one at the top, you can have others do it, but is that what you want to make your living at? Frustrating and disappointing people?

> I strongly agree with Jimmy and his views
> about needing a "list" and of
> course how newbies are starting in the hole.
> It makes them have to work that much harder
> to get out of it. Although we all started
> there when we got into business for
> ourselves regardless of what way we go.

> I also agree with Semmy to a certain
> extent...you need a "system" and
> that is, in my opinon, why there is such a
> high failure rate. People join something,
> they plaster the "token" ads all
> over the place and wait. No thought is taken
> into educating people as to "how things
> work." Just because they place an ad in
> a newsletter that has a readership of 50,000
> doesn't mean your autoresponder is going to
> scream. It is the same mis-conception people
> have off line when they buy an ad in a
> newspaper.

> I personally stay away from mlms. I don't
> like them and I have my share of being poked
> and proded to join several. I like
> "business ownership" and like to
> pave my own path

> Denise



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