John you will not get my $997

[Dick]

John you will not get my money to pay for your meals for the next 90 days. I will not let you mooch off my back pocket hard earned money. I will not let you manipulate my mind to send $997 for a use less rehash of information. I will not do it. You can send 5 million emails and crash my computer but no I refuse to be tempted by your claims of instant riches for $997. It's BS. You fool. Markus Allen told me to stay away. So I will listen to him. He is a good man.

Dick

[Valeriu]

> John you will not get my money to pay for your meals for the next 90 days.
> I will not let you mooch off my back pocket hard earned money. I will not
> let you manipulate my mind to send $997 for a use less rehash of
> information. I will not do it. You can send 5 million emails and crash my
> computer but no I refuse to be tempted by your claims of instant riches
> for $997. It's BS. You fool. Markus Allen told me to stay away. So I will
> listen to him. He is a good man.

> Dick

Where Markus Allen make such a claim? Aren't you a little bit tough here? I also get upset about SO many emails about "Trafiic Secrets", but you are too upset (I presume!).

Valeriu

sume!).

Valeriu


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[Ryan Tames]

[snip]
> Markus Allen told me to stay away. So I will
> listen to him. He is a good man.

Markus got me thinking about a few things.

One of those things was. why would'nt John Reese show of his
billion hit sites?

That, in turn got me pondering the authenticity of the "Traffic King".

So I went to a few of his sites, and seemingly I saw nothing interesting
in terms of Traffic. Before that, I skimmed through the 'trafficsecrets'
site, and nothing impressive of the technology usages - for promotion,
advertsing, or for traffic "secrets" came to stand out from the sales
letter.

But it is true, it probally does sound impressive to someone, who has
limited experiences with promotion. The two words that stood out in my mind
were 'Radio' and 'Television' - and that was only through my skimming.

After that I was debating if I should apply for the affiliate program. I
decided not to. But I also figured I would not get a response.

For some reason I can never actually read a sales letter.

However, I am suprised that this, how do you say it, "blow back"
has lasted so long.

"If you want traffic, you gotta talk to a..."

Ryan Tames,

Webmaster, Programmer, Multimedia Developer, Chef, High School Drop Out.





 Multimedia Adventures Of a Man

[Dick]

[Kim Standerline]

 kimstanderline

[Sam Freedom]

 samfreedom2003

[Christopher Given]

[Sam Freedom]

> Jeez!

> If you guys spend this much time everyday
> fighting over what someone else is doing
> with their business instead of focusing on
> your own, you'll be filing bankruptcy in a
> matter of weeks!

Larry,

The only reason I can spend this much time on this is because I spend at least this much time focussing on my business.

Larry, can you tell me why a simple discussion between two adults bothers you so much that you have to earn yourself the distinction of being "the 33rd man in"?

Thanks for contributing!

Sam



 samfreedom2003

[Christopher Given]

> Jeez!

> If you guys spend this much time everyday
> fighting over what someone else is doing
> with their business instead of focusing on
> your own, you'll be filing bankruptcy in a
> matter of weeks!

Larry has a point here, maybe he's merely trying to stop the arguing, then again he could be Jacks friend.

We'll never know. But the arguing is pointless, with neither of them backing down.

Who will win? Reese - hmmmmm perhaps not. But any exposure is good exposure, as it helps to feed and maintain the followers habit.

Time for a detox. Instead of going after the product, why not go after the source?

Isn't that what the Police do???

[feministchick76]

Thank you brother for saying it!! You took the words right out of my mouth. Instead of worrying about what someone else is doing, do it yourself.

People are too concerned about what everyone else is doing. Why is it that when someone is successful everyone questions their motives and why they made so much money?

Instead of focusing negative energy on them, focus postive energy on developing a plan of action for yourself!!

> Jeez!

> If you guys spend this much time everyday
> fighting over what someone else is doing
> with their business instead of focusing on
> your own, you'll be filing bankruptcy in a
> matter of weeks!


R>> matter of weeks!

[Larry]

Jeez!

If you guys spend this much time everyday
fighting over what someone else is doing
with their business instead of focusing on
your own, you'll be filing bankruptcy in a
matter of weeks!

[Sam Freedom]

> But, that's the point.. I do take it personally, as everyone should. I am
> personally responsible for every decision I make. It's just a different
> point of view... you want to blame others for the poor decisions people
> make; I take full responsibility for any poor decisions I make, no matter
> how small my balls may be(and they are quite small, I must admit).

Let's see where I said that I am not personally responsible for the "decisions" I make? Or that you are not personally responsible for the "decisions" you make. That is precisely why I even say anything about this. The style of marketing I referred to has quite an effect on limiting your "choices". And, unfortunately, if you are corralled into making a ridiculous or sub-standard purchase, you end up still responsible for that whether or not you really understand how you got there.

Anyone can say "I'm responsible" and self-righteous people generally do so they can then grab a whip and have their turn coming down on other "less responsible, less manly" folks. But, like a child who says, "I'm sorry.", many adults "take responsibility" without even realizing what it is they are taking responsibility for. And you might think that's a good thing, but without *understanding* -- nothing changes. So "take responsibility" for your "decisions" al you want -- attempt to make others do so, too. But, if they do not understand the kind of advertising and tactics they are up against, nothing will change for them.

And a simple disucussion over it shouldn't be so threatening to you.

> I do agree with you, however,in that people perceive more expensive
> products as having more value than lower-priced alternatives. But, just
> between you and me, that's not groundbreaking news to most of us.

I'm not sure where you get your stastics from, or who appointed you to speak for "us" but maybe you can reason that there are a lot of people just coming into the internet marketing arena each day, or coming into online purchasing for the first time -- each day -- and not only would this be groundbreaking news to them, but it could be welcome news, and they might not be speaking up as "us" to be counted in your straw poll.

Sam



 samfreedom2003

[striker]

> You needn't take any of this personally.

But, that's the point.. I do take it personally, as everyone should. I am personally responsible for every decision I make. It's just a different point of view... you want to blame others for the poor decisions people make; I take full responsibility for any poor decisions I make, no matter how small my balls may be(and they are quite small, I must admit).

I do agree with you, however,in that people perceive more expensive products as having more value than lower-priced alternatives. But, just between you and me, that's not groundbreaking news to most of us.

[Sam Freedom]

> Thats a good idea, Sam, I'm sure you would be my best customer.

No, I understand ad copy.

> Uh, okay, talk about useless barbs.Kinda like asking why is the sky blue
> instead of pink,or black, or green.

That wasn't a barb. You're a sheep. By telling you to get back to grazing, I was doing you a favor especially in light of what you wrote below.

> I say I would rather spend $1,000 to be a millionaire than spending more
> than $1,000 to be a millionaire and that makes me wrapped up in $1,000 =
> becoming a millionaire? Interesting jump to a conclusion,

You jumped to the conclusion because you're referring to $1,000, meaning a $1,000 purchase. That assumes a person could hop on the internet, spend $1,000 on a purchase (or $997) and become a millionairre. When, in fact, the people I've spoken to in internet marketing had made a number of smaller purchases that lead up to being offered the $1,000 packages, or the $4,000 packages where they may or may not make significant money in return for that increased expenditure.

So if you bought a $1,000 package that had subtly mentioned numerous times in multiple mailings that some people had made a million dollars, and that some had at least made close to $100,000 rather quickly, it would be reasonable to expect that you would have some possibility, however small, of making a million dollars -- or of (how clever of them) *at least* making $100,000.

Stars in your eyes, Kurt, buyer beware. What you don't see, after being dazzled with the possibility of millions, is that you're part of a culture that steadily ramps people up to pay more and more for products that suggest more and more can be earned as a result.

And I need to remind you that this isn't about price. It's about assumptions that get conditioned into unsuspecting people -- and then get unwittingly perpetuated by those same people who come to believe that spending more and more is automatically equated with a higher return.

It's a disease culture. And this discussion has obviously exposed a wound -- keep in mind, I'm not asking you to get well. I'm just opening a discussion on the matter and it seems some people aren't quite sure what a discussion is.

> and thanks for
> confirming how illogical(and quite pointless) your argument is.

No problem.

> Hmm, it's going to be interesting to see how that
> works out, seeing as I'm a white racist too. Maybe someone can whip me up
> one of those magical salesletters that will allow me to bend the will of
> the other bloods so they won't kill me, their lone, racist white member. I
> hope so, because we all know that noone can withstand their hypnotic
> pull.......or, at least Sam can't.

This is juvenile. Anyways, you've got it wrong. If I couldn't withstand ad copy to some degree, I wouldn't have started a topic about one of the life-draining assumptions it can foster in people. When you become silly and juvenile, you don't necessarily distort the main point -- even though you're trying to -- but you make your own less clear.

> And THAT'S the real issue.... Sam can't keep his hands out of his own
> wallet. He's still searching for that push button method to a million(or 2
> million, 5,000, 1 billion, or whatever figure you want to use) that
> somehow continues to elude him.

Ladies and gentleman, that is what "non-critical thinking" looks like on screen.

> It's okay, Sammy, you keep searching; one day, you'll figure it out. I
> must admit, I, too, fell for such pie-in-the-sky schemes. But then, one
> day, something incredible happened: I turned 15.

It seems like that was a recent event.

> Kurt "Master of my Domain" Wagner

Calling a 10'x10' padded cell a "domain" is quite a stretch.

Sam



 samfreedom2003

[striker]

> Maybe you can write an e-book full of useless barbs and sell it to others
> who are as manly as yourself.

Thats a good idea, Sam, I'm sure you would be my best customer.

> Lol, see even you are wrapped up in the idea that spending a thousand
> dollars can make you a millionairre. If $1000, then why not $500? Or would
> it take $1500, but why not $275? You're a sheep and should not be
> contributing absolute zero to conversations that cut into your grazing
> time.

Uh, okay, talk about useless barbs.Kinda like asking why is the sky blue instead of pink,or black, or green.

I say I would rather spend $1,000 to be a millionaire than spending more than $1,000 to be a millionaire and that makes me wrapped up in $1,000 = becoming a millionaire? Interesting jump to a conclusion, and thanks for confirming how illogical(and quite pointless) your argument is. I guess since I'm a white guy that makes me racist too, huh? Ooops, I'm also wearing a red shirt right now, so, by default, I am now a member of the Bloods street gang. Hmm, it's going to be interesting to see how that works out, seeing as I'm a white racist too. Maybe someone can whip me up one of those magical salesletters that will allow me to bend the will of the other bloods so they won't kill me, their lone, racist white member. I hope so, because we all know that noone can withstand their hypnotic pull.......or, at least Sam can't.

And THAT'S the real issue.... Sam can't keep his hands out of his own wallet. He's still searching for that push button method to a million(or 2 million, 5,000, 1 billion, or whatever figure you want to use) that somehow continues to elude him.

It's okay, Sammy, you keep searching; one day, you'll figure it out. I must admit, I, too, fell for such pie-in-the-sky schemes. But then, one day, something incredible happened: I turned 15.

Kurt "Master of my Domain" Wagner